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February 4th, 2008
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Clinton or Obama? Decision
Thanks for all your input, f-list. I made my decision en route to work today. I'm voting for Clinton in the primary. It's 16 years since I was this close to a primary before deciding.

I really do feel they're both excellent candidates. And I was thrilled by the last debate, for content as well as for tone. I will happily vote for either of them in the general election.

Things that helped me make my decision:

- I do think her experience counts. And it is in part the First Lady experience. I'd say that counts more than state legislator or professor. I think it gave her a leg up and helped her become an effective and influential senator very quickly.

- I think she has shown she can deal with all manner of criticism. I don't know what the Republicans will throw at her, but I feel confident she'll be able to handle it.


And the clincher:

- I won't be unhappy if he wins the nomination, but I will be unhappy if he wins the primary in NY. She's our senator and if she can't win in her own state I think it undercuts her effectiveness in the senate.


If I lived somewhere else, I might decide differently, but I feel my responsibility as a New Yorker and a Democrat right now is to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

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From:mamajoan
Date:February 4th, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC)
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I think I missed your post asking for input :) but anyway, I'm glad you've made your decision. I'm still on the cusp but pretty close to a decision myself.
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 09:27 pm (UTC)
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Let me know what you decide.

Love your icon, btw.
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From:vanessa_musing
Date:February 4th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
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I'm glad you were able to decide. The one thing I am loving about this race is that we really have two good choices that we can really back. Previously, I felt primarily like I had to vote against the Republican candidates, not for the Democratic candidate.

Barack Obama has changed that for me, this time around. Hillary Clinton has come in second for me, but I can still heartily support her if she wins the nomination.
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 09:26 pm (UTC)
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The one thing I am loving about this race is that we really have two good choices that we can really back

Me, too!
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From:davidfcooper
Date:February 4th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
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South Dakota voters returned George McGovern to the senate over and over again after voting against him for president in 1972. Supporting a candidate for one office does not mean she is the best candidate for all job titles. I will certainly support the Democratic nominee in November, but it is important that that person be the candidate who has the best chance of defeating the Republican nominee. Senator Clinton's nomination will increase opposition turn out, and will likely attract fewer independent voters than Senator McCain who has demonstrated appeal to independents. Senator Obama OTOH not only appeals to independents but also to disaffected Republicans. Moreover, a Clinton presidency would likely have a 50 + 1 mandate (Karl Rove's strategy), which at a time when large numbers of evangelical voters are indicating that the economy and global warming are higher priority issues than abortion or Iraq would represent a blown opportunity at building a larger consensus for progressive change.
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 09:26 pm (UTC)
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Actually McGovern was reelected to the Senate once (1974) after winning the nomination and losing the presidential bid, and then was defeated in 1980. I don't know whether he lost his state primary. In any event, I don't think his career is all that relevant to my point, that not winning her own state in the primary could diminish Senator Clinton's credibility and effectiveness in the Senate.

I don't feel your certainty that Clinton is less electable than Obama. I don't know that she's more electable - I basically just don't know. I think a lot of the right wing would come out to vote against him as well as against her. But I do think she's a marginally better candidate and I do feel it's important as a New Yorker for me to vote for her.

Thanks for sharing your views, David. Obviously this was not an easy decision for me. I'm very happy we have two such competent and credible candidates to choose between.
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From:st_crispins
Date:February 4th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
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As you know, I'm voting for Clinton, too. And I'm beginning to notice that the choice is breaking down, not by race, but by gender.

Not completely, but a lot of guys I know are voting for Obama (and using other reasons than gender ---hmmmm.)
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
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I haven't seen the gender break down among my social circle, but I don't know that they are representative of anything.

Love your icon.
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From:notmonica
Date:February 4th, 2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
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I've decided to vote for Hillary as well. Her experience is what gave her the edge in my decision making. I really think we need someone who can "hit the ground running" right now, and I think she would be able to do that better than Obama (although Obama is soooo pretty, and inspiring...I know that is apropos of nothing but it never hurts ;D). Still, I think she's the best person for the job.

I was talking politics with my eldest (Cole who is 8) and I said how amazing it was to me that the two democratic front runners were both from "minority" groups, given that I was an infant when the only non-WASP President was elected (he failed to see how "Catholic" was any different from all of the other white male Presidents)! I hope I live long enough to see both a female President and a President of color (perhaps even a GLBT one?).

GO HILLARY!
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
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although Obama is soooo pretty, and inspiring...I know that is apropos of nothing but it never hurts ;D).

LOL! So who would you slash him with? John Edwards? :-)? The two of them are the prettiest men to run for POTUS in my memory.
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From:tarchannon
Date:February 4th, 2008 11:10 pm (UTC)
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And another comforting thing: McCain is doing very well, and out of all of the Republicans, he isn't horrible! Not that I think there is a real chacne of the Republicans winning after Bush's performance, but for the first time in a long time, the likely candidate on the other side doesn't frighten me. (I say that assuming it's McCain, but I retract it for Romney and I'll join the anti-Nazi brigade if it's Huckabee).
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From:mofic
Date:February 4th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
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Some of McCain's policies do frighten me, but he's smart and capable and hard working and against torture, for Something's Sake. And he has shown himself really able to work in a bipartisan way, or the phrase "McCain Feingold" wouldn't trip off the tongue so easily. I definitely don't want him to win. If he does, though, my reaction will be "Sad but a hell of an improvement over the last guy." Which is just what I said 20 years ago.
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