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June 9th, 2008
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New Definition for "Subtle"
From an MSNBC.com piece asking whether or not Hillary Clinton's campaign was subjected to sexism:

Those who do detect sexism say it can be subtle as using the term Mrs. Clinton but not Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain or the reporters covering Clinton who refer to women as "chicks" and "girls."



Umm, so what would blatant sexism in reporters be?

FWIW, I'm very glad she conceded, am happy to support Barack Obama, and think there is no question that sexism was a major factor in the coverage of her campaign.

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From:marag
Date:June 9th, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
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I'm debating whether I should laugh or cry. They really wrote that? And didn't promptly expire from the irony? Good grief.
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From:st_crispins
Date:June 9th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
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there is no question that sexism was a major factor in the coverage of her campaign.

Heh. D'ya think? The old boys club is soooooo clueless. They know to watch the racism thing but sexism is so ingrained, they can't even conceive of an alternative.
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From:mofic
Date:June 10th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
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I think in part because it's an intimate oppression, practiced at home as well as in the world.
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From:talktooloose
Date:June 9th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
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How could there have been sexism in the coverage? She's not that hot.
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From:skyline3way
Date:June 10th, 2008 01:48 am (UTC)
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The very fact that anyone commented on her wardrobe, let alone the pantsuit jokes, says all that's necessary.
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From:mofic
Date:June 10th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
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I know - all this stuff about what she wears and nothing about the men in the race and their suits and "power ties."
From:thelastgoodname
Date:June 10th, 2008 05:05 am (UTC)
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It gets better: I read an article about the sexism and racism in the campaign, and in the end, one of the researchers said, "There's that big caveat, somebody should recognize, it's not just about race and sex. It's also about the person," Keating said. "Obama is not only a black man; he's also Obama. Clinton is not only a white female; she's also Hillary." (But then, I do that, too. Parallel constructions -- or the lack thereof -- certainly say a lot.)
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From:mofic
Date:June 10th, 2008 12:44 pm (UTC)
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The whole "Hillary" thing bugs me. Clearly it's sexism - if not for sexist conventions, we wouldn't be in the position of trying to figure out which person you're talking about when you say "Clinton." And I think it's hugely disrespectful to use a first name for a public figure you don't know. But she embraced that - her bumper stickers said "Hillary."

Anyway, in the quote you give, the natural construction - I think - would be to use full names after the "also" - "He's also Barack Obama" and "She's also Hillary Clinton." Also, is "woman" such a charged term that it can't be used? She's a "white female" of unspecified species?
From:thelastgoodname
Date:June 10th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
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The reason she embraced Hillary was to appear competent and nice (which the article points out is a problem for women everywhere). But I guess woman is a four letter word these days (unlike bitch).
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From:thinking_lotus
Date:June 11th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
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oh ugh.

P has been addicted to MSNBC coverage of the primaries and every so often I would watch with him and complain about the sexism and he would be all "oh they're just joking." Well, you know what? It's not funny.

omg, I must be a humorless feminist or something.
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From:mofic
Date:June 11th, 2008 11:18 pm (UTC)
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So many people pointed out that no one who laughed at the guy with the "Iron My Shirts" sign at HRC's rally would have laughed if he showed up with a "Shine My Shoes" sign at Obama's. But what would *really* have made an impact would have been if Obama himself had pointed that out and decried the misogyny she faced. I actually think he still should, although obviously it would have been a little more selfless when she was running against him.
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