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November 5th, 2008
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Things I'm Happy and Sad About in This Election

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Date:November 5th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
That the wave of new Obama voters contributed to the result with Proposition 8, and that Obama's own opposition to legal recognition of same-sex marriage and his stated reason for his opposition encouraged bigotry and encouraged religious rationalization of bigotry.

And yet, I got a robo-call last week (my only one, thankfully) from the Obama campaign, saying that Senator Obama and the NAACP were encouraging me to vote no on Amendment 2 (Florida's version of Prop 8.) Which makes me wonder why so many Obama supporters would actually want to write discrimination into their state constitutions.

I just don't get that.
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Date:November 5th, 2008 03:33 pm (UTC)
Well, I think Obama tried to do walk a very thin tight rope with this one. He opposes equal marriage rights and says he does so for *religious* reasons, without making any effort to separate his religious beliefs from civil rights for all. But he doesn't explain at all why his religious beliefs should be the deciding factor in this rights issue but not in the abortion one. And he emboldens those religiously opposed to equal rights to feel like that's a fine reason to deny their fellow citizens the rights they enjoy, but then says they shouldn't be doing so by constitutional amendment.
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Date:November 5th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
The right to own slaves is protected in the Bible.
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Date:November 5th, 2008 04:51 pm (UTC)
I'm trying so hard not to be bitter. Obama's election is a wonderful result, and historic. And I don't even believe that Obama believes that we shouldn't have equal rights. I think he did what he felt he had to do, given the political climate.

Which is how he got us into the War on Mutants, too. Oops, did I just confuse reality and fiction? And my own fiction at that? Oh well, I have a migraine and I'm not thinking too clearly.

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Date:November 5th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
I was just going to ask if you if you thought maybe Obama's stance against same-sex marriage was purely political.

Either way, it's sad... Maybe a catch-22 for him? If he had been even just an ounce more liberal, would he have won? It feels like this is the "price we have to pay" for him to have won the general election - that we can't ask for "too much" at once. I don't know.

I was shocked that the ban passed in California. Really, I was. Maybe I'm naive, but I thought for SURE that California would step up to the plate with that issue.

Dumb question, but now that this is part of California's constitution, is it forever law? Irreversible? :(

And I, too, used to think well of McCain until his campaign totally turned me off to him (still would have voted Democrat, but I at least thought he was more than just OK). It seemed to me like he turned into a puppet on strings and developed a temper. But then his old self came out again in his concession speech and it almost seemed to me, almost, as though he felt relieved. Perhaps that was in my head.

Best wishes with the migraine!
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Date:November 5th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
The ironic thing is that the California vote was close enough that without the extra turnout from people excited about Obama it probably would not have passed.

I don't for a minute believe that his objections are religious. This is a man who is a professor of Constitutional Law and understands and supports separation of church and state. He totally said that for political expedience. And I think he really believed he had to, and he certainly has proven himself to be a shrewd politician. I say that *admiringly* - it takes a lot more than smarts and charisma to get things done and he's shown he can get things done brilliantly. But it does make me sad, and as I said, I'm trying not to be bitter about it. I even forgive him for the War on Mutants :-).

On the state constitution issue - California's constitution is amended by referendum and it could, conceivably, be amended again. I don't think it will any time soon, though. I think this will likely be resolved at the federal level before that happens. And it's particularly sad because the California Supreme Court decision was so beautifully thought out and written.

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