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January 22nd, 2009
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Is M/M Slash Like Pseudo-Lesbian Porn Produced for Straight Men?

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From:thefourthvine
Date:January 23rd, 2009 04:47 am (UTC)
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Women in slash are often both consumers and producers. Of course many slash readers never write but the writers are often avid readers as well. And there's an interaction between writer and reader that I don't think occurs between consumers and producers of commercial porn.

For me, this is one of the key differences: the homosocial community of fandom. We're doing this for each other. We know each other as people, or try to. I'm guessing the director of lesbian porn isn't quite such a person, or quite so involved in the process, in the mind of the guy watching it.

(Note: when I say "homosocial," I don't mean that there are no men in fandom, or even in slash fandom. There are. But the world of fandom is socially feminine in the same way that most parts of the real world are socially masculine, to the extent that most of the men I know in fandom - who are accepted parts of fandom and not interlopers - act like women in their fandom lives. And many of them can relate amusing stories of how this has bled over into their real lives.)

Many women like m/m sex where one of the men is very feminized in behavior and personality and somewhat androgynous in appearance (not what I write and not what I like *at all* but it's very common)

I tend to hear a lot about seme/uke stuff in animanga fandoms, but in media fandoms, not so much. Or, put it this way - everyone talks about the androgyny and feminizing as extreme, but at the most it ends up being pretty much the way I remember my sister's posters of Duran Duran (her obsession when I was very young): those guys still looked male, just prettier and cleaner (and with more makeup on) than the real men we knew. This, I think, is part of what Speranza called "Like men, only better."

But, in general, I don't see feminizing in fiction as much as I hear people talking about it. It's always something that used to happen, or that is rampant in some fandom over there. So I guess I'd like to see the actual (recent) fan fiction - outside of animanga, where the fans are taking their inspiration directly from a trope that is common within anime and manga - where this occurs.
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From:mofic
Date:January 23rd, 2009 12:01 pm (UTC)
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It's always something that used to happen, or that is rampant in some fandom over there. So I guess I'd like to see the actual (recent) fan fiction - outside of animanga, where the fans are taking their inspiration directly from a trope that is common within anime and manga - where this occurs.

Well, I write Scott/Logan movieverse. When I started doing this, I read *every* Scott/Logan story as each came out - fascinated by what's the same and what's different, what other people saw in the couple. And I swear, in most of them, Scott was very feminized. There was lots of kind of classically "girly" talk from him; he was often obsessed about whether or not to give Logan his "virginity". Stuff like that - he did not sound like a mutant superhero so much as a girl being asked to the prom.

That kind of depiction often came from very young writers whom I'm sure never intended that he sound like that or realized that he did. I remember saying that I wondered if *my* Scott sounded like a middle-aged lesbian mother and I didn't know it.

On the other point - I do think the social aspect of fandom is a really salient point. It's a big part of what makes it attractive to many of us, and I don't know that it's possible in a commercial enterprise.
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From:alixtii
Date:February 3rd, 2009 12:49 am (UTC)
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act like women in their fandom lives

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what you mean?
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