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Is M/M Slash Like Pseudo-Lesbian Porn Produced for Straight Men?|
|Date:||January 29th, 2009 01:15 pm (UTC)|| |
(I am behind in my reading!)
I can identify with a lot of what you said. My pet peeve in slash fandom is the tendency to feminize one of the men in the pairing. I managed to cause a huge debate/fight on a Luke/Han list because I dared to have Luke as a non-innocent and had him top Han. I especially hate the feminizing in Emergency! fandom. Johnny Gage is a trained Rescue Fireman/Paramedic who risks his life every day. He is not going to burst into tears at the sight of a needle and just basically cry all day long if someone looks sideways at him! I really like a pairing of equals. That is why I like your Scott/Logan stories. It is much more realistic with how the characters actually are in canon.
As for pictures, I must admit I like them too, but not as much as reading as I prefer to use my own imagination.
I have to admit that I do like to fit myself in as one of the characters in some of the stories. I find that to get into the fandom I usually have be attracted to at least one of the pair. I can't seem to get into a slash fandom where I am not attracted to a character even though I may adore the show. NCIS is a good example there as even though I can see the Gibbs/DiNozzo pairing I can't read it as Michael Weatherley and Mark Harmon do nothing for me.
I do use the straight men/two women thing to justify to males why I like m/m slash. When you put it in terms they understand, they accept your interest in it more.
|Date:||January 29th, 2009 03:12 pm (UTC)|| |
On equality and feminizing - as I said in the post, I don't like unrealistically feminized men. It throws me out of the story. OTOH, I'm not sure what "equal" means in relationships. I think power dynamics in relationships are very interesting, and one of the more interesting things about same-sex relationships is that there is no socially imposed gender-related power scheme to fall back on, so the individuals have to figure it out for themselves.
I think power tends to be both complex and *dynamic* in relationships - it's not always clear who has power in what domain and it can shift over time. With my Scott/Logan, there's certainly an element of dom/sub to their relationship, but there are also areas where Scott very much has power over Logan. In addition, there are times when one of them has more power in the relationship than the other (e.g. in We're Not What You Think, when Logan has amnesia, Scott knowing more about Logan than Logan knows about himself gives him power, but he uses it pretty gently).
So I'm not sure I'm writing them as equals, exactly, but I'm certainly writing them both as powerful guys - both physically powerful and with forceful personalities, of two very different kinds. Another factor is that Scott has a position of power on the team - he is accustomed to people doing what he tells them to.
I feel like power dynamics in slash is something that hasn't been explored in meta enough...
I think power dynamics in relationships are very interesting, and one of the more interesting things about same-sex relationships is that there is no socially imposed gender-related power scheme to fall back on, so the individuals have to figure it out for themselves.
Yeah! Thanks, that's it. Many women talk about the equal power as to why they like slash, but I never understood. It's the hammering out of the distribution that makes it interesting for me. In fact, frankly, that's what makes it hot. I do like my tough men discovering new emotional vistas, although they don't cry much. *G*
As long as I'm here, I might as well say I don't read a lot of het fanfic, but then again I've been a heavy consumer of romance novels for -- oh, about 35 years. I've read f/f if I'm really into a character. I read Scully slash for a while, but the main writers were men, and Scully -- this neurotically wary and contained person -- was always falling into bed with someone or other the day she met her. That was boring. Even in their novellas, there wasn't much emotional development, just action and some more fairly boring sex. :P
Occasionally I've read f/f that was WAY hot, but it's been stories that appealed to my kinks. At least the Harry Potter fandom didn't have to resort to ofcs to get a couple women laid. :)
|Date:||February 1st, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)|| |
Yeah, I think equal power is not really correct. It's the lack of an assumed power dynamic that's what's really operating. A lot of what I explore in my slash and a lot of what I like in others' is how power is distributed in the relationship and how that changes over time.