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June 21st, 2005
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From:fenris_wolf0
Date:June 21st, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
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You know, this is a very interesting topic and I was wondering if you ever read Kirby Crow's essay 'The Slash Not Written For A Gay Audience' which is one of the few I have seen addressing this question directly, here: http://www.gwaddiction.com/slashrant.shtml What do you think?

Also: The opinion I've seen expressed in a few places that for many people, with better drugs and longer life expectancies, HIV is not such a big deal anymore. is really shocking.

How can so many be so ill-informed? Sometimes I feel like I am living in the Middle-Ages.

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From:mofic
Date:June 21st, 2005 10:24 pm (UTC)
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You know, this is a very interesting topic and I was wondering if you ever read Kirby Crow's essay 'The Slash Not Written For A Gay Audience' which is one of the few I have seen addressing this question directly, here: http://www.gwaddiction.com/slashrant.shtml What do you think?

I hadn't seen it, but I've seen others like it. Thanks for posting. It's pretty clear and succinct in summarizing arguments.

Hmm, what do I think? Mostly that the kind of slash she's talking about isn't the kind I want to read or write. It's slash that is just the straight grrl's equivalent of pseudo-lesbian porn for straight men. I want to read something more in depth, more realistic, more true-to-life. Slash isn't a kink for me; it's not sexual objectification of men's bodies.

I totally understand that men watching "lesbian" sex where the women have long fingernails just don't care that a lot of lesbian sex acts are painful and/or uncomfortable with long fingernails. They don't care that lesbians pretty much always have short fingernails and when one starts growing her nails her friends wonder about whether she and her lover are in the midst of LBD. If all you want is to look at two women positioned in ways that make straight men hard, well, pseudo-lesbian porn is just the thing for you.

Similarly, if all you're interested in is seeing two men together (in your mind's eye) and it doesn't matter if they seem real or in character or if the sex is even anatomically possible, there's plenty of slash out there that gives that experience. There's plenty of slash that doesn't care about context, or anatomy, and where one of the men is basically a woman with guy parts. I think that kind of fiction is appealing to some women for a variety of reasons, but it's not appealing to me.

I personally want to read something different. I want, when I'm reading X-Men (or for that matter, writing it) for absolutely everything to be real and plausible except for the superpowers. Because then I can suspend disbelief for the superpowers, too. I want characters who sound like themselves. I want to believe that these guys truly are gay, or bi- or heteroflexible :-) and that Marvel and Fox just forgot to tell us that. I want them to be credibly the X-Men characters I know and love, and to live in the not-too-distant future, and also to want m/m sex. And, for me, that requires (for most of them, not Wolverine) that they would know there's an HIV epidemic out there (because I don't think it's going away that quickly) and have some concerns about that.

That concern can play out in lots of different ways. Maybe that means practicing safer sex; maybe it means self-destructive barebacking because someone doesn't feel he's worthy of living; maybe it means becoming infected while in denial that one is gay or while forced into unprotected sex or during one lapse while drunk. Maybe it means taking some risks and worrying about infection but not becoming infected. I think it can show up lots of ways. But me, I want it real. Because I'm not in it for the hot male bodies.
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From:fenris_wolf0
Date:June 21st, 2005 11:42 pm (UTC)
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I want to believe that these guys truly are gay, or bi- or heteroflexible :-) and that Marvel and Fox just forgot to tell us that.

Heh. That that makes a lot of sense; it is even more interesting when I consider your notes on your X2 series which I always thought represent a major difference from the X1 universe premise.

By the way, I think it is worth noting that STDs have been a part of human society for a long time, even fatal ones: AIDS is simply the latest and worst example, but throughout history STDs have had a major impact on our culture. At least in Europe it has, since the advent of penicillin is relatively recent (thus, monogamy as a hygienic measure... interesting to think about... )
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From:mofic
Date:June 22nd, 2005 01:15 am (UTC)
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In what way do you think X2 is a different premise from X1 (not sure whether you're referring to the movies or my fiction there)? I did use X2 as an opportunity to write a different take on my core characters...

I totally agree that fatal STDs are part of the human condition. We were living in Camelot for a few short years where there were not fatal STDs. I don't think it's coming back...
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From:fenris_wolf0
Date:June 22nd, 2005 10:42 pm (UTC)
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Argh. I was referring to your series, but I cannot find the preliminary notes I was thinking of, which means that I associated some other notes to X2 when really they aren't related at all! Premature senility. Hmph.

Just had another -possibly fatal- hard disk crash last week, so all my bookmarks are gone, making me sound even more disconnected than usual! In case you were wondering if I had disappeared into thin air when I still owe you several replies...
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From:mofic
Date:June 23rd, 2005 12:08 am (UTC)
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LOL! Well, I did try to do something different with the X2 characters. I wrote a less repressed Scott and a more connected-with-others Logan. I think the latter reflects the change in the character in the two movies, but the former was just authorial choice. Cyclops is so little in either movie that there's a lot of room to interpret him in a variety of ways. I also showed a different pattern in their relationship - in my X2 fiction they become friends before they have sex. Of course, none of that has anything to do with HIV.

P.S. Sorry about the hard disk...
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