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January 21st, 2007
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Circumcision in Real Life and in Slash

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From:mofic
Date:January 22nd, 2007 01:48 am (UTC)
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Hi, there. Welcome to my journal :-). If you do remember where you saw a link please let me know. I was surprised to see unfamiliar "faces" commenting.

Anyway, I find it interesting that you are an atheist but deem other people's choices on circumcision "acceptable" only if their religious beliefs are to your mind "real" enough. Does that seem as strange to you as it does to me :-)? It's kind of like someone who eats meat commenting on whether or not vegetarians should eat milk and eggs or just be vegan, yk?

FWIW, I think that in Judaism it's at least as much tribal as religious a practice and will be more of one for some and more of the other for other people. Many Jews who are mostly unaffiliated with Judaism as a religion still feel enough of a connection to the cultural/ethnic/tribal aspects that they want to circumcise their sons. In addition, for a lot of non-religious Jews it's an expression of faith - not in G-d but in their fellow citizens, that it is safe to raise a boy who is visibly Jewish.

I don't know about your Turkish friend, but certainly there are many authoritative Islamic sources that state that circumcision is now and historically has been a Muslim practice.

Thanks for commenting! And I'm an ex-librarian - we librarians don't believe there's such thing as TMI.
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From:heavensqueen
Date:January 22nd, 2007 03:01 am (UTC)
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Anyway, I find it interesting that you are an atheist but deem other people's choices on circumcision "acceptable" only if their religious beliefs are to your mind "real" enough. Does that seem as strange to you as it does to me :-)? It's kind of like someone who eats meat commenting on whether or not vegetarians should eat milk and eggs or just be vegan, yk?

I'm an atheist, but I'm not running around telling people to stop believe if they do. (Same with meat, I eat it, but I don't tell vegetariens or vegans that they have too - but no matter if vegan/vegetarien/member of any church I expect them to respect my choice also and not try to get me into church/ away from my steak)

As for really believe in religion:
I have grown up in a family that did not really believe in god but went to church twice a year - christmas & easter - just to be on the safe side of hell. (Why they believe in hell but not in heaven, don't ask me, I don't know), and here in Germany this seems like a lot of people handle it.
There I can't see why people who only think about religion/prayer/god twice a year feel that they have to perform any religion-ritual on a baby for the sake of the ritual rather then the meaning behind it
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From:mofic
Date:January 22nd, 2007 12:12 pm (UTC)
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I think you misunderstand me. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I find it strange that a soi disant atheist would judge how a person should practice a religion or what s/he should have to believe to be "acceptable" in the practice of religious rituals. I don't expect atheists to determine what belief system for religions they don't subscribe to is sufficient to make religious practices acceptable. To me it seems much like someone who eats meat telling a vegetarian what the right and wrong way to be a vegetarian is.

At any rate, Judaism is for many people as much or more tribal and ethnic as it is religious.

Thanks for dropping in.
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From:brak666
Date:January 22nd, 2007 03:09 pm (UTC)
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It's kind of like someone who eats meat commenting on whether or not vegetarians should eat milk and eggs or just be vegan, yk?

Actually I do that. But it's more due to my contention that if I'm going to be called a murderer for eating meat than the people making the accusation should not be hypocrites.
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From:mofic
Date:January 22nd, 2007 03:25 pm (UTC)
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LOL! Certainly ad hominem attacks don't bring out the best in most of us. Me, I don't care who eats what as long as they don't eat certain things near me (like liver).

In my family I've got one vegetarian (ovo lacto) kid, one who doesn't consider it a meal without meat, and one pretty flexible one.
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