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January 22nd, 2007
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What Does It Mean to Say that Slash is (or isn't) Subversive?

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From:xtricks
Date:January 23rd, 2007 01:55 am (UTC)
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Well, I'm opening myself up to being beaten about the head and shoulders for this but ....

I don't believe that most* slash is particularly subversive anymore, except possibly as it subverts the original authorial intentions (and possibly, brings up the questions of intellectual ownership of ideas and entertainment).

*when I say most, generally, the majority, usually and so on I mean exactly that; most of the topic at hand follows these patterns IMO. I'm quite aware there are always exceptions (Mo's work the first, and most notable exception I ran into in the slash community); this is the world and we're human beings, no rule, generalization and etc is absolute.

The rest of my opinion on this topic can be found at my journal, as it's too long and it may get wanky and that's not nice to do to someone else's LJ.
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From:mofic
Date:January 23rd, 2007 03:19 am (UTC)
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I won't beat you about the head and shoulders - or anywhere else. I'm not a beat-about-the-head-and-shoulders type.

I wasn't actually expressing an opinion that slash as a genre is subversive. I think it sometimes is and sometimes isn't. What I wanted to know was for that subset that someone thinks is subversive, what do you think it subverts? Because prior to this discussion I saw in lemurgrrrl's journal, I really thought the answer for everyone was "presumptions of heterosexuality" or some variation thereof. But what I saw in the aforementioned discussion was people talking about slash as subversive or transgressive when it subverted authorial intent, which I think would be true of fanfic in general.

Anyway, I will know a little more about poll construction for the next one.
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From:xtricks
Date:January 23rd, 2007 03:37 am (UTC)
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My sense of what's subversive about slash is the subversion of canon or authorial control. The second, and important to me, is the reclaiming of creativity from mass-produced corporate ownership.

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From:mofic
Date:January 23rd, 2007 12:18 pm (UTC)
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But do you see that kind of subversion as specific to slash, or true of fanfic in general? After all, an author's reach should exceed canon's grasp or what's a fanfic for?
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