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January 23rd, 2007
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What I Learned in My First Poll

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From:niennah
Date:January 23rd, 2007 08:45 pm (UTC)
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In effect, she was saying that what slash subverts is authorial intent, not social gender norms.

I imagine you may be talking about me. I was referring to an essay I wrote that (at least partly) prompted lemurgrrrl's post. I would like to make it clear that this is not exactly what I was saying. I gave that as a definition of the word 'subversive' within the terms of my essay, in which I asked if current and recent slash theory was still relevant when slash is not as subversive today as it has been in the past. My focus was critical theory of fanfiction and fandom, not society in general.

Outside the bounds of my essay, I agree with everything you say in this post. You've pretty much summed up my attitude to slash. And I believe slash has had a part to play in changing television, and television both informs and is informed by society. In that way, perhaps slashers have made something of an impact on society's attitudes to queerness. I like to think so, anyway.
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From:mofic
Date:January 23rd, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
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I think it was your comment that got me started, and I'm going to follow up and read your essay. For now I want to make clear that I certainly don't want to suggest that my interpretation of your comment on lemurgrrl's commentary on your essay :-) represents the sum total of your feelings about slash and subversion. If it sounded like I was suggesting that, I apologize most profusely. It just was, for me, one of those "Oh wow!" moments when you realize that other people are using the same word you use differently, and you wonder if you've misunderstood a whole lot of conversations. And I think I have been, since the idea of slash as subversive to the extent it subverts authorial intent seems one that is very present and it's not one I'd ever thought of before.

Thanks for reading, and commenting.
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From:niennah
Date:January 23rd, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
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my interpretation of your comment on lemurgrrl's commentary on your essay :-) ...

Heh heh, yes. I've never metaed on a large scale before and it's been a lot of fun to see it take flight, though nerve-wracking too!

Like you, I've realised that even the vocabulary I think all fans have in common is in fact unstable. It's a study in itself! And the great thing about seeing other people comment on what I wrote and on things related to the topic has been learning that we all use the same words without necessarily meaning the same thing. Which is fun too. Were it not for destabilised canons, fanfiction wouldn't exist. :)
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