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January 23rd, 2007
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What I Learned in My First Poll

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From:kestrelsparhawk
Date:January 24th, 2007 06:41 am (UTC)
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There's far too much fascinating to respond to, and I'm in the middle of cold reality just now, but I had a couple of immediate reactions to everyone's posting, particularly Mo's.
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I don’t want to sound like I believe that I can have some sort of huge impact on society through writing stories about mutant superheroes who have sex with one another.

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(Sorry, I don't know how to do the quote thing; that was Mo above.)

When people looking at texts talk about subversion, I don't think anyone means that a particular reading of a particular text will change a lot. I think it's more that when what is "natural" is interrogated over and over, people start to notice that their "natural" world is itself constructed. Hall talks about the goldfish never noticing the water they swim in until it's gone.

I, as you know, lean much toward audience theory and am poststructuralist. No text is in and of itself subversive; it's in relationship to the reader that it may subvert or reinforce a cultural perspective. Nor is any text monolithic; it is a group of interrelating meanings in which there can be both subversive and reinforcing meaning. It's like going to a gallery specializing in art nouveau, say, in all media -- some pieces might cause you to question the whole idea of art as it is traditionally, some might convince you that they're absolutely perfect manifestations of it, and some might make you hate art nouveau or leave more puzzled than you came (which would actually fit some artists' intentions.)That's a static metaphor, but I can't think of a better one at the moment.

So I answered the poll as best I could, with mental fingers crossed: given an either/or situation where subversion occurs/does not occur, you were asking (I then read) in which situations -- an interesting question, though one I wouldn't ask that way.

I think I'll ponder this a little further this week, in between pondering a suicidal 10 year old niece, a soon-homeless brother, two self righteous greed addicts, a puppy stolen by one of those greed addicts from the soon-homeless one, and a mother who has decided when we're sharing out stuff that I'm getting too much, even though we're taking turns...

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From:mofic
Date:January 24th, 2007 11:26 am (UTC)
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No text is in and of itself subversive; it's in relationship to the reader that it may subvert or reinforce a cultural perspective.

I agree with that. I hope my examples of how I see slash can be subversive made that clear.

Sorry you're dealing with all those family difficulties. Do you know when you'll be back?
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