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January 29th, 2007
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Some Further Thoughts on Realism in Slash

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From:galadhir
Date:January 30th, 2007 09:55 am (UTC)
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I'm straight, and I prefer 'realistic' slash. Partly because I'm reading fanfic at all because I love the characters, and I want the characters to be recognizably themselves. If someone turns one of my 18th Century Sea-Officers into a weepy submissive mess, I will be up in arms about the characterization, rather than finding it sexy. And a slash fic set in the Age of Sail that doesn't pay some attention to Article 29 and the death penalty - and subsequent anxieties, while I can enjoy it on a superficial level isn't really real enough to engage my mind and emotions.

On the other hand the whole weepy 'feminization' thing is somewhat insulting to straight women. I mean, is this really what we're supposed to be like? I certainly can't find that attractive in a woman or a man.

I like realistic depictions of the characters and their situations because (1)I care about the characters, (2)I find men sexy, and therefore - if I'm reading about sex - I prefer my male characters to act like men, and (3) the heteronormative, rigid gender-structure thing of having the top be 'the man' and the bottom be 'the woman' is repellant in many ways.

It's insulting to gay men to be used as fetish objects, it's insulting to gay men to be portrayed as women when they aren't, and it's insulting to women to be portrayed as spineless submissive wimps just because we're the penetratees in the sex act.

On the other hand, until men give up their fake-lesbian porn, I don't think it's right to ask women to give up their fake-gay porn. I think that people's sexual fantasies rarely have a lot of bearing on what they really think about something, and how they really behave. So if some women like that stuff it is only a case of evening the balance of power between men and women to allow women to have their non-PC porn too.
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From:mofic
Date:January 30th, 2007 12:09 pm (UTC)
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I'm certainly not asking anyone to give up anything, and I hope that's clear! I'm expressing a preference for realistic slash.
From:galadhir
Date:January 30th, 2007 12:45 pm (UTC)
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*g* Yes, that's clear! I'm sorry, I was going off on my own sidetrack there, and not a particularly important one.

My main point, I think, (if I had one) is to agree that that a preference for realistic slash is definitely *not* true of all women, and to say that it isn't even true of all straight women (because I am one, and I prefer realistic fiction too.)
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From:mofic
Date:January 30th, 2007 02:00 pm (UTC)
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I did find your sidetrack interesting, and ought to have said so! Age of Sail is not something I'm familiar with, and it rounded out the conversation to give a different perspective. Thanks for dropping in!

My main point, I think, (if I had one) is to agree that that a preference for realistic slash is definitely *not* true of all women, and to say that it isn't even true of all straight women (because I am one, and I prefer realistic fiction too.)

I think you mean "a preference for unrealistic slash is definitely not true of all women" because otherwise the second part of your sentence seems to conflict with the first.
From:galadhir
Date:January 30th, 2007 02:38 pm (UTC)
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LOL! You're right of course! Clearly I'm not being very coherant today and I should go and do something that doesn't involve thinking ;)
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