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September 6th, 2007
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Republican Sex Scandals and Slash

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From:mofic
Date:September 7th, 2007 02:54 am (UTC)
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. OTOH, if I go to a nude beach, I assume I'll have to look at naked bodies, and if I go to certain bars, I assume I'll see more than I'd see at my corner bar. So it's not all public spaces, but enough advance warning so I too can make a choice.

Yes, that's a good distinction.

Public sex to me is like someone exposing himself to me -- it invades my memory, not just my eyesight. And I can't avert my memory easily.

It's interesting to me how much context matters. Certainly many of us who wouldn't want to just come upon people having sex enjoy watching people having sex under other circumstances.
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From:kestrelsparhawk
Date:September 7th, 2007 03:26 am (UTC)
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It's interesting to me how much context matters. Certainly many of us who wouldn't want to just come upon people having sex enjoy watching people having sex under other circumstances.

So true. A man exposed himself to my then-partner and I in a library parking lot one day.She'd never experienced that, and was really shaken. She'd had lots of male partners, quite willingly, and had not objected at all to seeing their penises! So that's why it jumps to my mind -- in a context where it's involuntary, or someone not respecting the other people in that community, it bothers me for a lot of reasons which have NOTHING to do with prurience. I like prurience. I don't like power plays.

But... just to add to that... I do think about the needs of people who want anonymous sex, and waffle. I can't see the government setting up free fuck parks anytime soon...And very few local governments, even in Washington, sponsor nude beaches.
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From:mofic
Date:September 7th, 2007 11:43 am (UTC)
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I do think about the needs of people who want anonymous sex, and waffle. I can't see the government setting up free fuck parks anytime soon...And very few local governments, even in Washington, sponsor nude beaches.

I kind of see the nudity issue as separate from the public sex issue, although there are points of commonality. But, anyway, I have sympathy with the waffling. I don't like the sting operations, as I said, but I do support police cracking down on sex in airport bathrooms. I would not support cracking down on sex in the back room of back room bars or in parks or on beaches at night. In a lot of situations I'm with talktooloose - if you chance upon people having sex and you don't want to see it, look away. But I think it really is context-specific. There are contexts - like going to the bathroom in an airport or commuting on a subway or getting one's car from the library parking lot - where one should have some reasonable expectation of not being exposed to sexual activity.
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From:joelrosenberg
Date:September 13th, 2007 02:15 pm (UTC)
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My own theory -- which applies to a lot about sex and other things -- is that the key factor is consent, not context.

If I don't wish to consent to view others having sex at a given time, it's pretty trivial to stay out of their bedrooms while they're having sex, and not a lot less trivial to stay out of a known cruisy park (assuming I'm clued in; not difficult to be in my hometown) during Unofficial Cruising Hours. It's a lot less trivial to avoid public restrooms entirely, or to cruise (so to speak) the Internet to find out where the known anonymous sex restrooms are locally. Similarly, when I don't care to hear music blasting out enough bass vibrations to neuter a goat, I simply avoid buying tickets to the local Goat Blasting musical group's performance; somewhat more difficult to arrange for my street not to be a locus for various folks cruising up and down to share their favored bass vibrations.
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