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January 4th, 2008
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From:mofic
Date:January 5th, 2008 12:48 am (UTC)
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though Iraq has completely cured me of the allure of limited government.

Please explain.

What makes you think Edwards is stupid? I always think he sounds really smart. What am I missing?
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From:wneleh
Date:January 5th, 2008 01:25 am (UTC)
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As I understand it, Libertarians believe that people, left to their own devices, are kind and just. Most may be, but Iraq has convinced me that a certain % are just waiting to kill folkes who are threatening their view of How Things Should Be. (I don't think we'd behave any differently.)

RE: Edwards' brain - An example is his desire to withdraw troops from Iraq. Clinton has some concept of what this will take - what troops, from where, and when. Edwards, IIRC, when questioned hadn't really gotten that far.

A few months ago an Edwards campaign bus passed us on 90; painted across it was "Fighting for One America." I am just so, so sick of war, and using its language does nothing for me. And "One America" - huh??? What does that mean?

I've heard Obama interviewed at length, and I've never changed the station. And Clinton also seems to have thoughtful things to say. Even Biden and McCain make me think. But whenever I hear Edwards talk I feel like I'm listening to a string of soundbites.

None of this is really well-thought-out, of course. Living in MA, my primary vote will probably be meaningless, and there's no way I'd ever vote for any Republican in the race unless he was running against Satan, and even then it might depend on who Satan's running mate was. But the prospect of a Clinton presidency, or an Obama presidency, really excites me.

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From:mofic
Date:January 5th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC)
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As I understand it, Libertarians believe that people, left to their own devices, are kind and just. Most may be, but Iraq has convinced me that a certain % are just waiting to kill folkes who are threatening their view of How Things Should Be. (I don't think we'd behave any differently.)


Hmm, are you saying the War in Iraq comes from too little government in the US? Or too little in Iraq? I'm still not getting it. I would have said the war in Iraq is an example of too much government control. That said, I'm not a libertarian at all (although I find it a more appealing philosophy than other conservative ones). I see it as a philosophy of Every Man For Himself. I really believe that there ought to be a safety net, that government should provide the basics to all, that leveling the playing field is a good thing to do...

Mo way I'd ever vote for any Republican in the race unless he was running against Satan, and even then it might depend on who Satan's running mate was.

LOL!
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From:wneleh
Date:January 5th, 2008 02:02 am (UTC)
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Or too little in Iraq?

Collapse of government in Iraq, due to our invasion. There's nothing libertarian about Bush that I can see.

My understanding of lib. philosophy regarding social policies is over a quarter century old, but IIRC it was built on people, not government, extending aid.

Must run...

- Helen
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From:mofic
Date:January 5th, 2008 02:06 am (UTC)
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Well I do think libertarians expect that people will give aid to who and what they think as individuals deserve aid. I really believe in government and that the proper function of government is providing a whole lot of things that are done better collectively and/or that individuals won't do.
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From:wneleh
Date:January 5th, 2008 08:08 am (UTC)
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I agree.

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From:mofic
Date:January 5th, 2008 12:55 pm (UTC)
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Don't slink off! I'm really enjoying all the different viewpoints.

With Edwards, I know a big deal was made of his not showing up for votes during the last presidential campaign, but I thought that was mostly from trying to run for VP while being in the Senate. Are you saying it was a long-standing issue?

As to McCain I disagree with a lot of his policies, but I think he's at least competent, which would be a great change from the current POTUS and is not true of a lot of the Republican field.

I have warm feelings for Joe Biden for his personal story but that's really neither here nor there, I keep reminding myself.
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From:mofic
Date:January 5th, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
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And he makes me laugh.

Yeah, not that relevant. Still smart and funny would be a nice change in a POTUS, and he is both.
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