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January 15th, 2008
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What I Learned From the "What is Sex?" Poll

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From:mofic
Date:January 18th, 2008 12:08 pm (UTC)
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My friend who coined PVI decided that "loss of virginity" means "the first time one has an orgasm in the presence of and with the help of another person." It's an interesting definition but I doubt it will become widespread.

For one thing, a whole lot of *married* women would still be virgins. Also there is some significance to First Times of various kinds for most people.


Thanks, the icon is Tara and Willow from Buffy. :)


That's pretty impressive. A mainstream network tv program and they showed them kissing in an obviously sexual manner? Nice to know.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 20th, 2008 11:53 pm (UTC)

from L in the flesh :)

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Actually, I might even have said that loss-of-virginity could happen from
one's own orgasm w/o another person. I think it is the change in world
view that comes when a person has an orgasm. Suddenly everything has a
much er...rosier...glow to it, like sexual possibilities just open up
everywhere.

And yes, I do think a whole lot of married women are virgins. I think it
has little to do with how someone else is using your body (or it should!)
and has everything to do with how sexual you feel and are capable of
feeling. Or at least let me say that if the word "virgin" is too taken
to mean this, then I demand another word to use instead. :)

One thing I cannot stand in the sex == PVI camp is their influence on
popular culture/media. I cancelled my subscription to _Redbook_ because
in a Q&A, a woman wrote something like, "Can my gynecologist tell if I've
had sex the night before" and the answer totally assumed that she would
have had PVI without a condom. ("S/he can see traces of semen...")

As a married woman whose sex life is not so limited, I was appalled at
this advice.

(It also comes up re. "having sex" to jump-start labor...prostaglandins?
orgasms? what the heck are talking about, exactly?)

An important thing is what Mo brought up, i.e. that (especially
heterosexual, married) women are led to think that they "don't enjoy
sex" because, with their totally-normal physiques, they don't orgasm
from PVI alone. It is just cosmically insulting that the things that
make women climax would not be called "sex" but the things that make men
climax would be. Yuck.

--L (flattered that people use the TLA PVI)
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From:mofic
Date:January 21st, 2008 02:08 am (UTC)

Re: from L in the flesh :)

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Actually, I might even have said that loss-of-virginity could happen from
one's own orgasm w/o another person


You are right. I had misremembered as I discovered when I checked my copy of "Quotations from Chairman L." I really should remember this stuff. ::hanging my head::

In any event, you have taught me a great deal about sex and I thank you for it.

Edited at 2008-01-21 03:14 am (UTC)
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