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July 25th, 2008
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Some Thoughts on Fandom, Privacy, Money, and Other Stuff

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Date:July 25th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
Why would I delete your comment? Particularly when you're agreeing with me :-) that some people were already angry with Laura? Hell, I even leave comments of people who disagree with me.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity - when you worked for her on FH, were you aware of any plans to make money from advertising or other means? And, if so, did that bother you?

I think Laura has a real passion for fannish history and a lot of good ideas and I'm really sad to see all of that turning to ashes. But I do agree that she brought it on herself, even if I don't agree with some of the other things you say about her.
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Date:July 25th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
I was aware, yes. However, I mostly just brushed it off -- I didn't ever see her finding anyone who would buy the wiki, especially since it was so filled wit useless, badly organized stuff. But since I did like the idea of a fandom wiki, I kept working on trying to clean it up.

Yep, I knew. I didn't think anything would come of it, though, so I mostly just let her ramble about it and kept trying to work on the many issues FH has.

I understand: If she's your friend, she's your friend. She was a friendly acquaintance to me, nothing more, and I genuinely feel bad for the people who considered her a real friend and then got burned. There are tales like that. I only say that I hope she always treats you kindly... really, I do. And good on you for sticking by her. I'm just glad the general internet hopefully no longer will, after this.
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Date:July 25th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's a case - for me - of "if she's your friend, she's your friend." I barely know the woman. I have emailed back and forth with her occasionally over the years, generally on fannish topics, and I spoke to her on the phone once. The last exchange we had was over a planned trip to NYC - I gave her advice on airport ground transportation. These are not the stuff that true friendship is made of :-). I did write to her to say that although I disagree with her actions I'm sorry she's getting slammed so badly. She hasn't responded, and as I mentioned in the original post, has removed me from access to her posts through filters.

So I don't think I'm coming at this from friendship loyalty or anything. I'm just saddened at the vehemence of the response and sad to think that this is likely the end of her fannish involvement. And worried for Laura, because I do think she cared a lot about what she did and it looks like she's lost it all.
Date:April 9th, 2009 06:36 am (UTC)

Forgotten and buried topic, but

Quick update: she hasn't lost anything... she just posted 3 days ago on an anime LJ comm I was watching asking for volunteers to edit that specific fandom's article(s) on fanhistory.

Since that fandom, like a lot of anime fandoms, is remarkable young and naive, it night yet work. And if not on that comm where I posted a warning, then somewhere else. Remember, she's been at this for years.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I do not hate her, but then again I was not burned personally by her. When I dealt with her directly nearly 10 years ago, I quickly dismissed her when she started discussing making money out of running a fanfiction archive (she was behind fandomination.net which at the time she presented as halfway between her thesis subject and her future meal ticket).

So I do not think she has lost anything nor learned anything from this latest fracas. And fandoms are full or newcomers who can be taken in quite easily, so I would not write her off as a failure yet. She may turn out to be the next Bill Gates...

Still, your scrupules honor you and I actually agree with your point in general. In fact, I think it probably should apply to all fandom wanks which feed on themselves and demonize the latest 'bad' guys.
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Date:July 25th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
I think Laura has a real passion for fannish history and a lot of good ideas and I'm really sad to see all of that turning to ashes.

I disagree with this. I've suggested many things for FH entries. Like fleshing out VB (Because of wank or something.) or including the book When the Fan Hits the Shit. She didn't even really cover the Rowling Trial because "It's too big" and she "Wouldn't be able to do it properly" and she basically didn't care.

But these were both very, very important parts of the history of Fandom. Things that matter, but she couldn't be bothered.

Real life lawsuits > list Fanficton.net authors.
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